View Single Post

Old 10-26-08, 08:50   #237 (permalink)
User Name
Banned
 
User Name is offline
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 496
Re: Obama or McCain?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MSOsr View Post
Then 9/11 occurred, which you can't blame on Bush.
Actually, since I'm not a "party guy" I blamed it partly on Bush, the sitting President at the time, with intelligence (not his) that told him of a pending attack.

Quote:
Recall that Hussein (Saddam, not Barack) thumbed his nose at 17 or more UN resolutions...and he's dead.
You might want to call you law school and ask for a refund. Ever study international law, the doctrine of inviolability of borders and the respective for the territorial integrity of sovereign states? The Founding Father's must be rolling in their graves considering "the Bush doctrine"of preemptive attack.

I've studied under probably two of the most recognized international legal scholars on the planet and both (along with the international legal community - in general) would entirely agree with me. This is a nation built by the rule of law and with respect for it. Once we start shirking our legal responsibilities internationally, we undermine our founding priniciples.

Quote:
Khaddafi, when we entered Baghdad, said "Come get my WMDs". He, like Saddam, thought we were bluffing (based on Clinton responses), and when we did come after Saddam, Khaddafi said, "Oh, s**t!"
Actually, you're wrong again. Clinton, like Bush also started an illegal war and didn't "bluff" anything. Again, because I'm an idealogue, I can easilty criticize both where they are wrong. Read here to see about why Clinton was as wrong as Bush: Kosovo: Another Case of Mass Deception?

Quote:
Obama would trash the effort of those soldiers to make the libs happy that they have $10 B more a month to spend. I think we owe it to those who sacrificed to go ahead and win the war, even if it does cost $10 B/ month.
The only thing we owe to our troops is to ONLY use them for just causes and the truthful defense of this nation.

Quote:
The financial catastrophe was started by Jimmy Carter (passing the CRA), which was used by Bill Clinton as an "affirmative action" way to give home ownership to those who couldn't afford homes.
Jimmy Carter???? LOL, be serious.

Clinton... you're 100% right. He started the deregulation bonanza which started this mess. 8 years of Bush and 6 years of a Republican congress ensured Clinton's mess would be a great success.

Quote:
Bush and McCain tried to tighten the reins on FM and FM, but the Dems on the financial committees wouldn't let the restrictions get to the floor for a vote.
More jokes. Dude, the problem is dergulation, a faulty conservative ideology.

Quote:
Check history: JFK dropped tax marginal rates and the economy took off. Reagan cut taxes hugely but doubled tax revenues in his 8 years. Bush cut Clinton's rates and tax receipts increased 20% over Clinton's, in spite of the drag on the economy 2 wars cost.
So, I guess when the Oracle of Omaha tells us that by using the various vehicles in the tax code, he pays a lower marginal tax rate than his 75k per year secretary, we should say he is lying? Dude, if you REALLY did go to law school, crack a book, look at section 1031 of the tax code and talk to me about the rich "paying their fair share". I'll put it to you this way, if the top 5% actually paid 35% (the highest federal rate under Bush), I'd tell you we shouldn't touch taxes on them. The problem is, after they use all the vehicles afforded to them, they all pay more like 20-25%.

Quote:
Obama wants to undo the Bush tax cuts. Why?
Dude, your "conservative" President just begged for 700 billion in corporate welfare and you don't think EITHER Obama or McBush are going to raise taxes? Yo, if you don't think higher taxes are coming, you might want to move to the Bahamas and get yourself a cozy little tax shelter. You're taxes are going up, way up.

Quote:
Can you say "Class warfare? Socialism?"
Can you say "boogie man" and "I'm not scared"?

Quote:
The purpose of the federal income tax is to raise money for the federal government.....not to punish certain people and to take their money and give it to others. That's pure Socialism.
A graduated tax is an aspect of having a social conscience. I know you probably have a Ronnie Reagan bath towel and bobble head, but why didn't he abolish the graduated tax system?

If you want a "real" conservative, with real conservative values, at least say you support a guy like Ron Paul, who at least has the intellectual honesty to preach in favor or TRUE conservatism.

Quote:
Ask Obama why his goal isn't to maximize tax receipts so that there is money to pay down the debt and pay for programs, but is instead to bring down successful people and give their money to others, just like Karl Marx suggested.
The sky is falling, the sky is falling! Good old McCarthiasm is still alive and well.

Quote:
Mike (free market guy)
User Name (free thinking guy)