Thread: Optimum vs Menz
View Single Post

Old 06-21-08, 08:47   #6 (permalink)
SuperBee364
0 to 60 in one paycheck!
 
SuperBee364's Avatar
 
SuperBee364 is offline
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
Posts: 2,870
SuperBee364 is on a distinguished road
Re: Optimum vs Menz

Quote:
Originally Posted by Way2SSlow View Post
I only have SIP, 106ff, and FP. I got the FP from another member and I havent used it yet. I also have OP. SIP does more cutting faster than OP. SIP has a pretty good working time, but nowhere near as long as OP. I like OP and it's great to mix in with something that has flashes quickly so you can get some more working time, but the last few details I've done have been polished with the SIP and 106.

FWIW,

People have been reporting issues with Menzerna being picky about weather conditions, and I've never had that problem with OP (or Menzerna either, but I've used OP alot more).
Yeah, exactly...This is hard to explain, so forgive me if it doesn't make sense... you (the original poster) mentioned that you would be time ahead to stay with products with longer working times, because you would get more correcting done with the long working time products than short working time products. Well, that isn't exactly always the case...

Let's say you have a car with medium defects. Defects that are right up SIP's alley. You start on half the car using Optimum Compound (the longer working time product), and I do the other half using SIP (the shorter working time product). Guess what? I win! The reason is that in order for you to work the OC all the way down to it's best finish took you about twice as long per application as it did to work my SIP all the way down. So it's not necessarily about what product has the longest working time, it's what product is most efficient for the job at hand.

Another good example... Let's say that we have a car with heavier defects. Defects that are perfect for a compound like Optimum Compound, but too heavy for SIP. So I go to work on half the car using Meguair's M105, and you use OC. Again, I win. M105's working time per application is only about 15 seconds. But in that 15 seconds, I do much more correcting than you do in each 1.5 minute application of OC. Again, the most efficient product for the job at hand.

As a general rule, the products that are the most agressive in their respective categories are going to be the most efficient for use with a DA polisher. Especially if they have shorter working times.

The most efficient polishes for DA's, IMO, are:

Finishing polish: PO85RD
heavy finishing polish: 1Z High Gloss
Medium Correction polish: Menz SIP, or possibly 1Z intensive paste
Heavy Compound: M105, with M95 being a close second.

Choosing the job-appropriate polish from the above list will usually give you the best results (most efficient results) over a given period of time.

If you move to a rotary, you are gaining efficiency right there; a rotary is capable of performing more work per given time period than a DA. Then choosing the most efficient pad/polish combination will save you even more time, especially since you can then make use of all types of wool pads, which are *very* time efficient.
  Reply With Quote