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PTRon, thank you for your input! i am not going to "compete" with him, as i am mor eopening the shop to sell products and be a distributor for a company with the name "chemical" in its title. the few details i do will be by appointment only and i am not advertising this. it is mostly to serve customers i have and those that are referred to me. i am going to sell mainly to other detailers, mobile, location based, what ever. and the other end of the business is geared toward dealerships and other auto salon type shops. shops that will be my accounts and i will be their contact. fortunately the company i am partnering with is going to be providing leads and the territory will be protected. i just needed input, such as yours, to make sure i dont commit suicide in my business venture. and yes it has always been my dream to own my own shop! and i am prepared to endure anywhere from 6 to 12 months of slow business. but seeing as i am already selling and detailing, i am hoping it will not be that long before i see a profit.